Long Jump on Platform
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Why gloves?
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Because gloves are required for Long Jump, and this competition is arguably more dangerous since you're off the ground.
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But this competition addresses to trials riders, a competition where gloves were removed this year.
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Then why are gloves for regular long jump okay?
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Not my cup of tea. But I would assume because of high speeds used in regular long jump. Or simply because no one asked for gloves not to be mandatory for long jump.
Long jump on platform is a static gap, which is a part of trial. Having different safety rule for a competition, which is a small part of trial, and for the trial competition would make no sense.
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It isn't static with a 7.5-8.5m run up.
Is the 40-45cm height just for looks? It could be convenient to use a curb in some situations.
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Yeah, the height is basically for looks. Olaf and I wrote this proposal together and the goal was to make something that's more exciting in photos. A curb doesn't look that cool...
Maybe we need a "small competition clause".
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Wait, with a 15-pallet run-up, this is not going to be much different than regular long jump and I'm not sure it will be fun for 20" rider. Why such a long run-up? A 2-pallet run-up/landing would even out the playing field, making the jumps static. I guess I'm confused on the objective of this event.
If we stick with the 15-pallet run-up, gloves should be required. If we change it to a shorter run-up, I don't think gloves need to be required.
Lastly, if we put this in the rulebook, it is a required event? I'm not sure it should be. If we're just creating a ruleset for it and it's not required, I'm okay with this.
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wow, i totally misread the proposal! I was sure this was a static gap competition.
I'm not so sure about the use of a competition like that. If it was a static gap then it would be something different, something new. If it really is just for better looking photos, then people can organize demo/showcases with this but but I don't get the pint of adding it to the rulebook
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It is different as you have only less then 9 Meter to speed up. This is ok for 20" street riders that prefer rolling hop but wont work for those 26" "flyers" you see in longjump now. You will find all those riders there that have no chance actually in longjump anymore. Static would be nice for all sidehoppers / Trial riders but it would exclude the Street/Flat riders that also use 20" unicycles.
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I think Jenni misunderstood the rules. The run-up is 15 pallets but because it is three pallets high, it is only 5 pallets long. 5 pallets long is enough of a run up for Street style 20" rolling hops, but not for the 26" speeders. If you only have a static jump, you are not including the street guys, only the trials guys. I spoke with Spencer a good bit this last weekend about what various 20" riders want and then Olaf and I came up with this version of the Gap competition to make everyone happy without having to add more categories.
Jenni, if you (or anyone else) can think of a better way to write the section, that would be great.
Here is a link to a sketch of the setup to make it clearer: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9l5Ofkl5TcdOW4zaHZiVUxXUm8/view?usp=sharing
This sketch should be made digitally and then included with these rules. Sorry for the messy sketch.
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Clickable link to the sketch.
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I think it makes more sense for trials and street riders to compete on pallets than over sticks for the same reason that platform highjump was added. The other long jump event can turn into guys on big wheel and short cranks going really fast, and this one would be predominantly smaller wheels and riders who normally interact with obstacles, now you can hit the edge and recover like in real life.
If we're talking about its value as a media event, static gapping on unicycles looks a little silly :P
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I don't think a re-write is necessary, I read through it quickly and obviously did not pay enough attention.
A 7.5 to 8.5 m run-up seemed long to me, but I hadn't thought of the SIF street guys, so this makes more sense now. I'm on the fence about gloves now -- I could see it going either way. I'll defer to the majority for that. Otherwise, the proposal looks good to me. Nice work, guys.
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Im all for gloves out. The speed of a 20" in a tiny bit fast than someone jogging.
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I also say no mandatory for wearing gloves. Lower speeds, and hey - it's not even an obligatory for Street any more. Also, riders can still wear it if they choose to. As it was mentioned before: most riders don't ride with gloves usually, and it bothers them on competitions.
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Gloves have been removed from the proposal.