[Long jump] landing zone
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Hi,
I saw that last unicon the landing zone where the rider must ride out of in control to be "confirmed" as a landed jump doesn't advance as the landing stick does go further. This results in a landing zone getting shorter and shorter, thus easier to have a "confirmed" jump and unfair to riders who can't jump as far. We saw this happening at the end of unicon long jump when the riders barely had to ride one rev to be approved by judges.
I think the landing zone should move with the landing stick so the landing zone is always the same size making is fair.
Anyone else on this?
-Emile
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Thats a very good idea while there should be some tolerance to make it more comfortable for the judges. Like moving it evey half meter forward. Another option would be to set the finish line fix to 8 meter behind the jump mark and at least 3 meter behind the landing mark. So in case people start jumping more then 5 meter, the rule still would work fine. It shouldnt matter to ride 6 Meter in control after a 2 Meter jump and make it very easy for the judges.
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I wondered about that when I saw it. Oops. As riders come in faster, why not give them less room? :-)
If you must stick with a unit of distance, it should just be moved in increments along with the landing area. Or, to make things simpler, move the launch line the opposite way.
But also consider time instead of distance. We don't really care how far the rider goes after landing, we just want to determine that she "sticks" the landing and is in control. In the early days we just used a 3-second rule. If people don't think this is long enough, propose more seconds. If they don't think it's accurate enough, please introduce yourself to the people who invented the electronic Stillstand system. Fortunately we wouldn't need something like that. All you need is a person with a stopwatch. Start the watch when the riders lands, and don't worry about stopping it unless the rider falls off. Easy!
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Time wikk also work but needs one more Person per jump line
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I agree that either the landing zone needs to move as the landing stick does, or we use a stopwatch (which is an additional complication for the judges). I would recommend not moving the launch line, because I think riders will mark their starting position on the ground, and if we move the launch stick they'd have to find their mount spot again.
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Here's as short summary of my opinions:
- Moving the start line is not an option. It sucks for the riders and it's a pain for the organizers.
- Timing is a nice idea but it's really too much work.
- Moving the end of the landing zone after every distance change is a pain.
- There is really no problem with a rider having to ride a bit more afterwards. If they are in control, they can ride 10 meters just as easily as 5
Thus I would suggest the following text:
"The finishing marker should be at least 4 meters from the landing marker but no more than 8 meters away. We suggest that judges set up the finishing marker 8 meters from the the jump marker and move it further away if need during longer jumps."
This makes the job easy for the judges because they don't have to keep moving the line, but it also keeps riders from having to ride unreasonably far if they can't jump so well. Also, because the second sentence is only a suggestion, the judges can set it up for the specific event. For example, if I'm at a regional event where I know no one can jump more than 250 cm. I could setup the finish line at 6.5 or 7 m from the jump marker to save space and make the event run maybe a few minutes faster.
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I agree on Scotts proposal
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What Scott said.
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Yes, I agree also, its a good solution
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Good on Scott!
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What Emile said.